Why your dreams live outside yoru comfort zone
James Marland: [00:00:00] Welcome to the Scaling Therapy Practice. Uh, my name's James Marlin. I'm with Dr. David Hall. Today we're going to talk about why your dreams live outside your comfort zone. It's a great topic. Uh, but first, David, we're gonna talk about a tool, a tech, or a tip of the week.
What do you, what do you.
David Hall: You know, we were talking offline be before this. And, um, you know, for, for people that are checking this out, don't know, you might be checking in out, uh, when this is, we're recording this early January though. And, um, but I, one of the things I do as part of my, my rhythms of work is I'll do webinars and James.
Asking me about what I use for that. And, uh, I actually use a tool i I like a lot. Um, it's called Webinar Ninja. Mm-hmm. , you could find a link in the show notes for that, or you can go, uh, to webinar ninja dot psych maven.com, uh, for our link on that. But it is, uh, yeah, it, it's, I came across them [00:01:00] years ago when I was, I was first starting to teach online and I needed a synchronous delivery.
Synchronous synchronous. What does that mean? So that's something a lot of us, it, it's funny, we've learned in the pandemic, uh, certain terms have become more, uh, familiar to a lot of us. And for therapists, synchronous and asynchronous, I think have become more known because it affects . It, it talks a lot about for continuing education.
So synchronous is the idea that it's, it's. Okay. It could be in-person live or, but if you say you're doing a synchronous online training, it's you're, you're, you're in it when it's happening. People and Yeah. Asynchronous being the society pre-recorded, but that language, uh, at least, so webinar, uh,
James Marland: yeah, lets you do it like live or live,
David Hall: asynchronous.
yes. Live. And it does have ways to, to do it non-live, so asynchronous, but for synchronous options. But, [00:02:00] and I may be, people may be listening to that and be like, what is he talking about? But at least I, I've heard a lot more therapists use that language because it, it is related to CE delivery, uh, in the past few years and ways that people have thought about.
But yeah, it, it is, I needed a solution that let me do things online. . Mm-hmm. . And there was Zoom, but I was never happy with Zoom and I'm still not, I use it for some things, but I, I don't love it as a webinar presentation thing. Mm-hmm. , you, there's issues of muting people, unmuting people, people, screens, . I, there's a lot
James Marland: of, well, yeah.
And you have to, you have to upgrade to get their webinar
David Hall: platform. Yeah. It, it's, yeah. And, and I just don't like the look, I don't like, um, all the different screens and people are in any number of situations and that aren't necessarily the most, um, presentable in a, in a recording. Mm-hmm. and, uh, and so what, yeah, webinar image is a very clean, uh, presentation.
I [00:03:00] love, there are a lot of great built-in features if you can build in quizzes that people can take. Mm-hmm. , like participation type stuff? Yeah. There's a lot of participation tools. There's surveys. , uh, there's ways that you can ask questions outside of the chat that let you organize questions more.
Mm-hmm. . And so q and a is a big part of my life webinars and anyway, I really love it as a tool. Uh, and if you're interested again, uh, it's webinar ninja dot psych mabin.com for our special link in that. But yeah, that's a tool I love. And I, I'm, I. About to do a live webinar. And I, and it also allows me to do on-demand webinars and it's a little bit different than like an online course in how it's set up.
But, um, but yeah, love it is a tool. Cool. What about you? So I am,
James Marland: uh, tool tech, tool tech, or tip . Yeah. Uh, I like alliteration. So, uh, so, uh, I've been reading a book by, um, Jeff Walker, uh, launch. He, he does product launch formulas. Mm-hmm. formula. [00:04:00] And it is just, I was like, why do I need. A whole book on just launching a product or a course, and now I'm like, , I don't just need a course.
I need like to, he has like free stuff in his book, like recordings and stuff. Like after I read the book, I need to go back and take that stuff because there is so much good information about building anticipation for a launch and for. Engaging your audience and then how to maintain the audience. And then he, the, the, I'm in the later chapters of the book about, okay, you can use this formula and not just to launch like one product, but if you expand it, you can use it to launch businesses or sections of businesses.
It is just a wonderful, well thought out, uh, practical, easy to use. Uh, system on launching, launching a product, and I, and I have used, you know, I've. I've, [00:05:00] I've found this sort of like formula in other people's books and podcasts and things, and I think I found the genesis of it. Like I think I found
David Hall: Yeah, he's came up with the, yeah, I think he even came up with the phrase Yeah.
Of, of that. And it is, and, and for a lot of people that are learning online business particularly, you can use it for a lot of stuff, but it's Oh yeah. Designed for online business. His model. and, uh, he and Russell Brunson, uh, they're two models. Russell Brunson's big on webinars and mm-hmm. and I use a version of his, uh, webinar model and, uh, Jeff Walker's, uh, product Launch Formula.
Yeah, it is. Uh, and it's just, it's, you know, it's cool and I've talked to so many people who've felt that their business life's particularly been so transformed. I've not read the book yet. I've, I've gotten. Very, uh, uh, second and thirdhand versions of it. Yeah. So I feel I could explain Product Launch [00:06:00] Formula fairly well, but it's not because I've gotten into Jeff Walker's stuff.
It's cuz I've, I've listened to people that read his stuff or Sure.
James Marland: Oh yeah. He is, he is like his, the d n a is injected into many marketing and launching, um, yeah. Programs.
David Hall: So, uh, we're, we're doing something a little different today. Yes. And this is it. It's, I am. Uh, so the, for those who've checked out the podcast episodes that we've released as of this point, a lot of them are a lot more me,
And part of is, I'm, I'm, as James and I were talking about this, I'm the therapist in this. And so a lot of what we're speaking to are things I've kind of gone through, uh, and. . Uh, but I, I, as James and I were prepping for this episode, we had this idea for something a little different. So, uh, James had a quote that I really liked and I'm like, well, let's, let's go on this.
And so I, we're gonna take our time today [00:07:00] where I'm, I want to be basically asking James some questions and kind of interviewing him because to, to give people context. James, at the time we're recording, you've talked a little bit in previous episodes, people who you know of your backstory of basical. you about the different things you've done career-wise and even, uh, you had shared, I think it may be our second episode of, you know, the process when you were young and got into a car accident, how that really led to reflection on yes.
what's my life about? But, uh, so we've, we've got a bit more history of your journey of working in therapy adjacent spaces. Mm-hmm. as a business administrator, administrator, as a admissions person, as a, as someone who helps therapists organize things. But tell folks what you're working on right now.
James Marland: Oh, okay.
So right now, uh, I am, I'm using some of my skills to develop a, a course to help therapists launch their own courses. S [00:08:00] uh, one of the things, um, one of the things I realized as I was taking jobs is I didn't have a lot of the security or future planning that I wanted. Like I took. I took jobs because I thought they were safe.
You know, I thought like, the, the company's gonna provide for me, I'll get a paycheck. Um, I'll work hard for the company and they'll take care of . Sorry, I'm laughing as I say this, but they'll take care of me. Um, you know, and until it's time to retire. And as I've advanced through, you know, different levels of management, that has not always been the case.
And one of the things I kept thinking, For, for years is like, James, you gotta, you gotta, people call it like side hustles. I'm not sure what I was thinking about, like what it was in my head, but James, you gotta take care of yourself. You know? You gotta plan for your future. You gotta build something even though it's [00:09:00] small, you know, even though it might start small, you gotta think about the future and build out.
But I was just, I was just afraid, man. I was just scared to. Go out and, um, think about what my, what my life would be like after that. Could I, I guess imposter syndrome, like, could I do it? What would people think? What would people do? And so I just never, never took steps to achieve those dreams. It just sort of like lived, lived in my head and never got out.
Mm-hmm. . And so when I, um, The, um, the last company I ran got bought out and the new owners didn't need an, an, a, another operations manager. They could, they handled that themselves. The security that I thought I had was, was gone. It was, uh, totally gone in a, in like [00:10:00] an hour.
David Hall: it is, you know, I, what you're speaking to, I think depending.
Age and how people grew up. It, it is something that I've seen quite a bit of my work as a therapist. Mm-hmm. , uh, in, not just in our industry, but in any industry of, there's been a major generational shift of my grandfather, uh, fought in the second World War, came back and took a job and worked that job for the next 40 years, almost.
Mm-hmm. and took his retirement and he, he, he almost. Uh, . I, I, I joke because he retired in his early sixties and he made it to almost 90, and I don't think his pension fund was designed to mm-hmm. last that long. And my grandma right, uh, lived another, my grandma passed away at 101 and she was collecting his pen, his pension until just the other year.
So the amount of years of pension payout was more than my, my grandpa worked. But that's besides the point. But [00:11:00] the idea was something like that you, like, you go to work for a company, you be a company. Company, man, company, woman, whatever the, the, the phraseology people would think about it and that that's the idea and you are rewarded for that.
But the truth is we live in, uh, a time in, uh, the post-industrial age where just the life cycles of companies don't even work like that necessarily. Right? Like if you got a really secure 20 years ago, so early two thousands, you got a really secure corporate job at Block.
or fill in the blank. Yeah. You know, there's, there's so many. When people think of kind of famous companies right now, how many of them existed before a certain time and will they exist in the future? And just even if, I'm just trying to think about, I, I remember for one of my grandparents tried to explain to her Uber, and she never understood the concept.[00:12:00]
and it is a strange concept to think about. Mm-hmm. . Cause basically it's this, it's this hugely profitable company that works off a premise that requires certain technology to be in place, and that the whole system wouldn't have worked before smartphones. And,
James Marland: and I think I, I kind of grew up, you know, uh, in a time where things are changing, like I lived in the old world.
and was trying to pattern my life after. And it's also part of my natural ban. I'm a really loyal person. I, I'm a really hard worker. I'm a really, um, like help each other out. You know, we're all gonna meet the top of the mountain together type of person. There's a, you know, we're, uh, uh, I remember this story, uh, it, have you ever been to like a, a nature challenge, you know, as a younger kid?
Um, What do they call those? Where you, uh, a ropes course. Have you been to a ropes course when you I've done, yeah. And we did [00:13:00] one in like sixth grade or seventh grade or eighth grade, some, somewhere there. And there was some log we were all supposed to stand on and we kept falling off. And we fell off and we fell off.
And, uh, the, uh, at one point I said, we're never gonna be able to do. , you know, and of course these challenges are designed for you to like, think through and do it. And the instructor stopped us and said, okay, we're done with this challenge cuz you're, you, you believe you can't do it, you're not gonna be able to do it.
And I've kind of kept that with me, like I to be the positive person, you know, to be the one that. That no matter what is going on, you're going to O, there's a way to overcome and persevere and we can all do it together, that type of stuff. And in.
not to speak ill of the people that have let me go, but that is not always the thoughts of the corporate [00:14:00] world.
David Hall: It, it, it is, um, it can get really impersonal. It, it often is shaped that way. And, and I could say even on the, you know, as a business owner kind of looking on the other side of things, uh, , sometimes it's hard because it's not even just your decisions as a, as a, as a, the, the decision maker.
Sometimes it's situations exist. Uh, there's a concept in business that's called the buggy whip syndrome. Mm-hmm. , and I don't know if you're familiar with this thing, James, but it's, uh, I think so, but it's this idea that you can have a family firm that makes the best buggy whips in the sense of horse and buggies and, and generation after generation.
That is a key tool. For people in their lives and how they, you know, and then within a very short amount of time, it goes from horse and carriages being a standard of everyday life to, its arcane. Everyone's moved cars,
James Marland: but the company makes the best buggy whip ever.
David Hall: Yes. But it doesn't, at some point it doesn't matter.
It [00:15:00] doesn't matter. Yeah. And. sometimes when you're leading that, that could, and so we live in an age where a lot of success is in business is predicated on the ability, the ability to pivot mm-hmm. and how to adjust to a lot of, and it's one of the, the factors in looking at. Kind of generational mapping.
That's something I'm really big into, but it's a, it's a major hallmark of Gen Z. The latest teenage generation kind of coming up is that they're very adaptable, but part of it is, is that they've grown up in an environment that requires a lot more and a lot more frequent adaptation. Mm-hmm. so, , it led you though, in this process, James, to say like, okay, I wanna start something that I'm leading.
It's not just I'm gonna fulfill somebody else's dream. Right. But what I'm hearing you say is that you realize that a lot of your experience was in fulfilling other people's dreams. And so how do you take the fulfillment of other people's dreams and create a business out of that And Hmm. Going [00:16:00] to the, well, how do I help therapists make courses?
Yeah. And, and this was. , I, I, this came up in an earlier podcast episode, but James, and my initial connection was he'd reached out to me saying, Hey, you're a therapist that's created a lot of online offerings, and his question was, why don't you think other therapists are doing this? Mm-hmm. , because you had already thought about like, I think the problem I can help people solve and.
Contribute to my livelihood is how do I help bridge the gap between this thing that makes sense for therapists to do, right. And help 'em
James Marland: do it. Yeah. Great. Great question because as in, in my over 20 years of experience, I've start, I started working with mental health providers in like 2000. I can't believe it's been that long.
But anyways, starting out. Uh, working with therapists, like they've always been like the helpers and the healers and the, the, the idea people. And they go to all these conferences and they take notes and, and, and they, they have these CEUs and half of the time when they, you go to the [00:17:00] CEUs, you can. They can teach it, they could like teach the class all themselves.
And, and then there was another convergence of, I went to a bunch of trainings and I saw that the, the people doing the trainings were not that much better than anyone else. They were just regular people sharing what they know in a system or in a format. And I'm like, I can do this, but I also. , I can help other people do this because I think the negative thoughts like, oh, who's gonna listen to me and I can't do this and I'm gonna be struggling with the technology.
Tho those are solvable problems. And if you're in the right environment, in the right group with the right supports, you're gonna be able to do what the other people do with your own voice. So, uh, why therapists? It's because I think they have this awesome. They can help people make an impact, but they're also gear, like your career has geared you to [00:18:00] do trainings.
Like it's, it's right there for you. So I was like, why aren't more people doing this? Like, what's the problem? So then my, my solution was to help them, um, do it. So why, why therapists though? It's, um, I think it goes back to, um, and this is a concept that's evolved over time for me, but when you're running a business, , uh, you are the most important.
You, the owner are the most important person in your business. Everything revolves around you. And when you burn out, when, when you are ragged, when you're grind, you know, when you , our shows like grow without the grind. When you're grinding down, it's when the business is running your life and you are not running.
your life. You live to serve the business. You are a slave to the business. And it, um, it, it, that's not, that is a nightmare life . That's not living your dream life. If you're a slave to the [00:19:00] business, that is, that is getting it wrong. And so I came up, um, uh, uh, heart-centered. Insulting. I'm gonna get, I'll get a, I'll get the link.
Um, right. But, uh, I went to a webinar and they talked about putting yourself first in the business and understanding, and other books talk about this too, but understanding what you can provide, like what, what are you good at, what do you like doing, what do people come to you for? Uh, uh, uh, support and, and encouragement and.
What, what is that? And I, I'm a tech guy. I like tech things and I like making classes anyways. Like, so I,
David Hall: I came up with like, you're a person. I, I think it's part of it too is like you, you like, The, so the systematic systems? Yeah. Yeah. The, the systematic way of coming up with solutions that can be implemented in scalable, repeatable ways.
James Marland: that goes back to some of my personality because I [00:20:00] love, I struggle with choices. I just do, I struggle when I, I probably told this story before, but uh, here, I'll tell another one. Sometimes I struggle at McDonald's. Okay. It's the same menu all the time. Right. . Yeah. Hamburger, chicken, french fries, drink.
And, and sometimes I'll look at the menu and I'll be like, I don't know what I want. Like what, what am I gonna like here? So, so translate that to a working environment where you have the ultimate freedom to do whatever you want, whenever you want. I mean, you gotta make money, but you, you, you, the owner. , you have to make choices and you can get stuck in like, what am I gonna do?
And so that just goes back to my, like, I need, I need a system. I have to have a system to make any progress. Uh, ,
David Hall: chicken nuggets, fries, coke. Is that what you get
James Marland: all the time?
David Hall: Wheated and sour sauce. Yeah. Uh, back in the [00:21:00] day you could get honey packets. Mm-hmm. . And sometimes you can do, depends on the McDonald's location.
And I'll say I live in the south, we eat far more Chick-fil-A. Mm-hmm. , uh, McDonald's. And I, and I try to generally, like at this point in my life, I try to eat a lot more salads. I've learned to like salads. Yeah. Uh, but. , my caloric intake was not a, a factor. I could, I could, I could hit some McDonald's chicken nuggets and fries every once in a while.
I'll get a hamburger and so . But yeah. But, and, and I think what you're highlighting too is that not everyone struggles the same. And so, but part of a good system and if your gift that you have to give therapists is helping them create systems is that it isn't a one size fits all. It's what does your system look like?
And you're, and, but the idea of, so right now you've got this course that you're, you're fine tuning and depending on when people are listening, it may be out, but it, it's this idea of going through the process of, and, you know, I have an offering where I, I teach people [00:22:00] how to do just trainings in general.
There's a little bit about online courses in that, but I also teach people how to do all these different formats and you've niched it down specifically in the online course. Space for therapists, which is, you know, right now a very compelling thing. And in 5, 10, 20 years online courses may not exist anymore.
At least maybe not like that. And that's okay. But, uh, the, the title of this episode is a quote, as James and I were talking before we hit record, there was something James said to. About this idea of, you know, as you imagine you dream. So I'm gonna let let you say it, James. So it was,
James Marland: what was your, uh, your dream life lives just outside your comfort zone?
David Hall: Because there are any number of things that we want people, now, people can talk about what they want, but it's, [00:23:00] it's taking action and there're different things that keep people from taking action and what they want. Sometimes it's. Sometimes it's a sense of lack of, uh, qualification. I know it's something I reflect on in different phases of my career, of I didn't do things because I felt I wasn't established enough to do certain things.
And it's one of the, the critiques I have going back that I realized that that was never a valid barrier, uh, that I could have done things sooner than I actually did do them. Mm-hmm. because it wasn't that I was, would've been an, that I was the expert before. It's just that I, I wasn't the expert when I started in the end.
Anyway, . So I just needed to get started. Uh, yeah.
James Marland: Just get started is, uh, that don't, let's not sleep on that. Yeah. But anyway, all you finish, but getting started is a key to, to moving that, moving down the path.
David Hall: [00:24:00] Absolutely, Ben. But if you're an entre. Person as a therapist, particularly there will be the sense that people will look at you and sometimes have the sense of, well, I, why can't I have the same thing you do?
Uh, you know, why can't I and mm-hmm. . attention will happen is I've seen people that will talk about these things that they want, but when pressed, they're not willing to step out of their comfort zone. Right now we have this theme that we've talked about of like our goal is to give people ideas of growing without just grinding it out.
But that doesn't mean taking out the grind doesn't mean that it takes out all the work, and it definitely doesn't take out all the fear and even the risk to do. To put yourself out into the world to create a course, to start a group practice, to, to do anything sets up for failure. And in some ways, if you do enough things, failure is [00:25:00] inevitable.
I've, I've failed at several things. I've failed at things business-wise, far larger than I care to really talk about. Uh, and it is very discouraging to go. , but there's a certain amount of inevitability it becomes like if, if, you know, if you go to the casino, James, which I imagine you doing frequently,
James Marland: uh, , well, they just started, they, uh, Pennsylvania, they, they've been building up.
But I don't, I don't go, I think, I think gambling is a tax for people who don't know how to do math.
David Hall: So that is one, one way, or for people who are really good at math, but let's say you did something simple like roulette and it's just you were just betting on black or red, I guess. I think it's the two colors of roulette.
It shows how much I've, I've watched, you know, my, my experience seen it on tv. Yeah, I've seen, I've seen the oceans movies. Yeah. That's a lot of my, a sense of, but I, if you go and you bet on black, you can get it once, twice, five times, 10 times, 20 times. [00:26:00] You play long enough, eventually you bet it all black every time.
Eventually you'll lose. Mm-hmm. it just a statistical inevitability. And if you put yourself out into the world and trying something inventive new, there's even this idea of like having enough data. Like James and I, James has been re-recording parts of his course. When we started our conversation today, I asked him how it was going and you were sharing about like, well it's, it's not,
James Marland: It's not going as quick as I would like it to.
Yeah. And cuz I can just push out the, the courses, but I like to clean up the audio and cut some things. And editing is always, you know, a 10 minute clip takes 30 minutes because of the editing process. But,
David Hall: but it's never gonna be Right. And that was one of the things I, I said to James, I go, no matter when you finish it, it will feel.
Mm-hmm. and I, I shared that with him, and I wanna share it with anyone listening as a [00:27:00] source of comfort, because the, that's not the key isn't to do it. Perfect. The key really is just to do it. Mm-hmm. And, uh,
James Marland: and, and my, my way to get over that is either I, I, I, I say I'm a scientist, like I'm a business owner, scientist where everything I put out is data gathering experiment.
And, um, then you take, take, learn from the process and do it again. And I think the, the engine of, the engine of that is getting started. Because if you never start, you're never going to learn what works and. Doesn't work. And for years I had the dream, you know, create something that can provide for your future and give you freedom.
But never, no, no, zero data because I didn't do . I didn't even do anything with it. So if I have the mindset that this, this is an [00:28:00] experiment, it's, it's less soul crushing. You know, when you don't get the views, you don't get the clicks, you don't get the likes. You just realize. Uh, a point needs to be a, uh, uh, what's, what's, what's that?
A data point. Not a data point. A, um, something. A something needs to be changed. Like a one thing needs to be changed. A variable. Change A variable, yes. Yeah, sorry. Change a variable and rerun the process. And if you get, get better results, keep, keep going in that direction. So,
David Hall: When you look out to the future, James, in the, in the whole sense. So your, your business course creation studio. Am I saying it? It I get the name? Uh, yeah. Course
James Marland: creation
David Hall: studio.com. Dot com. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. We wanna make sure you get the, the, the domain correct, but the, as you have vision Sure. For what you want the [00:29:00] outcome of this venture to.
what are the things that, what, you know, what are we, we've talked about stepping into the discomfort, but let's talk about the dream. Yeah. What's the
James Marland: dream? Uh, so if I could state it succinctly, uh, the, the dream would be, um, Th th uh, I, I kind of go back to like the Bill Gates thing of a computer on every desk.
You know, that was like the simple vision. I think every therapist can have a course. Maybe it's a moneymaking course, or maybe it's just a course that brings. brings clients to you, or maybe it's something that you, you, you teach over and over again and people ask you about it. So you just, you make a course which improves, which increases the value of your time.
But I think every therapist has a course in them that something they do well that could. Could create more impact and maybe even income for them [00:30:00] if they, they got it out. So that's, that's the vision. I mean, I more, a little more personal, and I've talked about this a little bit. I, 2, 2, 2 topics. One, you know, I adopted, I adopted a child.
My parents adopted a child. Uh, we, each of us had, um, different questions during. , um, that time, by the way, my parents, uh, at the, the recording have a teenager and they're in their sixties. So anyways, that's another thing, but, but they, they, um, uh, that's a, that's kind of specialized, but it, there are therapists out there who know how to do that and could give support.
They're just not in my parents' area, so they get on waiting lists, you know, for months to, for the types of. Uh, counseling and support that they would need. I wanna, I don't know if you can end that, but I really wanna make the supports available to those specialized cases. [00:31:00] over it because there's probably hundreds and thousands of people just in the same situation that I was in and that my parents are in.
And then the people I talk to, people at church and they have adopted kids mm-hmm. , and they're like struggling with certain things, blended families and all that. And, and they're looking for supports and they're, there's gotta be a way to get the information out to the people who really. So that, that type of course, and then there's, there's the therapist who has this burden or passion.
Like I, I talked to one person a couple months ago where they worked with, um, trauma. Okay. Uh, they work with trauma informed care type things, and they saw the people, um, her, her husband was a pastor, youth pastor, and she saw. The trauma kids chewed up the youth group, right? Hmm. And just chewed up the, the kids, the volunteers, the leaders, and you know, [00:32:00] it, it, uh, doing some training on how to manage the trauma because trauma's not getting less for our kids.
Yeah. It's, it's growing like the, the, the amount of, um, yeah. It's just, it's just growing. So how do you, how do. Keep the, uh, uh, uh, the, the volunteers engaged and not burn out, but also keep the kids, like often kids with trauma might not fit in that type of group. And so they go, they go away. You know, they bounce off.
Mm-hmm. And so now they don't have the support of a group that could help them. So that type of. That type of group where sh uh, she was very passionate about it and how could I help somebody bring their passion to the masses? Those are the two types of things in my head, like as I think about that, like somebody who's really passionate, they're on a mission, you know, uh, one of my statements I wrote is wrote is like, I'm here to help [00:33:00] the.
on a mission go from, you know, confused about how to start to a relaxed process of creating a course while staying true to who they are. Because I wanna help the helpers. I, I like money, okay? Uh, I like business people, but, but my, what really gets me going is when we help people, like I want to help the helpers.
Spread their message, grow, grow their influence, and create an income while they, while they're doing the process. So that's, that's sort of my vision. That's a long way to state a vision. But I like the
David Hall: people. But, but you're, you're hitting on some important points. I think so. As I, as I'm thinking, as we're kind of.
Sure. Big takeaways. And I, I think, you know, we often like to conclude what's our, kind of our one thing, and for me,
James Marland: what's the one thing you want people
David Hall: to know? [00:34:00] Well, based on what you've kind of shared is, is this idea that, Hmm, I'm trying to avoid an and i I in, in the discipline of doing that. I think the one thing is, is that your dreams, while valid, will require your discomfort.
Mm. But that's not a bad thing. And we, we, you know, most of us, even in, in different ways that we experience want, um, most of us in the western world could live fairly comfortable, lives in the scope of all of humanity, definitely in the history of humanity. , like I spend most of my life in a fairly temper, temperature controlled environment, , uh, and I get to sit on soft things and , you know, the, so without like kind of great extravagance is, uh, and not to diminish people in genuine need, but for many of us, [00:35:00] that's kind of where it's, but I think a downside of that is we often equate our discomfort with something's wrong.
James Marland: right?
David Hall: Yeah. Dis discomfort is sometimes a sign of something's wrong, but it's also a sign of something's growing. I have a,
James Marland: a. Uh, I read it recently where the people put trees in a, uh, environmentally controlled area and like there was no disruption, no outside influence of the weather, and they kept falling over
David Hall: They don't, they don't
James Marland: get deeply rooted. They, they didn't have any wind or, or any disruption to get the roots down deep. And I think that's exactly what you're talking about, the disruption. well uncomfortable makes you, uh, Ava able to survive the next stage of your mm-hmm. life. Mm-hmm. ,
David Hall: what's your one thing, James?
James Marland: So, um, it's a combination, but [00:36:00] the, so the dreams start in your head, like everything that you're gonna achieve, your, your achievements start in your head, but where they take life is when you write them down. And I think the, the process of writing things down, like don't just. because that that was the next stage.
Like I had these dreams, but I was letting other people live My story, I was like letting other people write my own mission cards and I. , when I wrote down, I did this exercise, uh, I was in the book Hero on a mission where you wrote down, you know, what's your movie title? Uh uh, it's Donald Miller. He has story, brand and all these things.
Mm-hmm. . And he talks really a lot about story. And it was like if you, if somebody wrote a magazine article about you or wrote a movie, what would the title be? Who were the characters? What would you be doing financially? what, uh, spiritually, health-wise, uh, vaca, you know, other stuff. What is something you would [00:37:00] start doing?
What is something you would stop doing like, That was really impactful for me because then I took the dreams down and sort of created a little structure for myself that I still refer to daily. Those I refer to monthly. But, um, just I remind myself of the, the dreams that were once living in my head and now they're more alive.
I put 'em out on paper. So, but I, the life I wanted needed the action like I just had. I just had to get started and writing it down really propelled me to start making that, make those
David Hall: changes. Mm-hmm. . Awesome. Thank you for sharing your dreams.
James Marland: All right, so, uh, so this I will end the show as normal . Thanks for joining us.
Uh, joining our conversation. This is James Marlon with Dr. David Hall. We'll see you next time. [00:38:00] See y'all.